Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

Firstly, why do you lump British and European together? Because they are the same "race" in your eyes?

Non-EU net migration has fallen sharply too.

It proves what was always obvious to anyone who looked at it, that high net immigration was temporary, especially the peak post covid and the special scheme for Ukrainians.





Levels of EU vs non-EU immigration has been a particular subject of interest for the UK before and after Brexit.

And note also that the UK and EU share high-quality education systems, Western Judeo-Christian culture and Western-aligned geopolitics.

Recent waves of immigration from countries in the Middle East and North Africa are importing wholly different culture, geopolitics, and crucially, we are importing from countries with measurably lower standard of literacy and numeracy.

These are objective facts, and they are not criticisms or judgements on the character of those who are migrating.

I would make exactly the same choices as our Pakistani, Somali and Eritrean friends, if I were in their position.


Half of Europe's cultural development was initiated by Muslims and the Renaissance started with Muslim scholars in Islamic Spain, which was Islamic for the lion's share of a millennium, leading to the hilarious fact that a state in the New World settled by Spanish-speaking settlers gets the "Calif" in its name from the muslim term for a leader due to it being so totally embedded in culture. But OK, yeah. Judeo-Christian.

The only link between the Renaissance and Islam is this:

When the Byzantine Empire fell to the Ottomans, many Greek scholars fled to Italy bringing:

• Greek manuscripts

• Knowledge of ancient philosophy

• Classical Greek language expertise

This boosted the revival of classical learning.

The Renaissance had far more to do with the Catholic Church than it had with Islam, and I’m curious to know who it was that told you otherwise?

https://chatgpt.com/s/t_692a2c6e0e588191ada9533927d72af4


The roots of the renaissance were established much, much earlier in Islamic Spain. It is essentially forgotten history (and largely systematically erased history, at that)

Track down a copy of Bettany Hughes’ “When The Moors Ruled In Europe”. I think it is on Youtube. It is long but exceptionally clearly presented.

Put simply, were it not for the Reconquista, what we understand as the renaissance would be very clearly perceived as Islamic in origin.

And maybe don’t trust ChatGPT to do anything but regurgitate the prevailing interpretation of history, which was, in fact, reshaped radically by Catholic propaganda.


Seems you've found a leftwing historian who chooses to endorse the violent Islamic conquest of Southern Europe, re-imagining it as a vibrant exchange of cultures, predicated on extreme timeline distortion.

The Renaissance is defined as follows:

> The Renaissance was a European cultural movement from the 14th to 17th centuries, marking a "rebirth" of classical Greek and Roman learning after the Middle Ages. It was a period of significant innovation in art, literature, science, and philosophy, with key developments like humanism. Notable figures include Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, and Raphael, and the movement began in Italy before spreading across Europe.

Islam did not even exist in the time of the Classical Greek and Roman periods.

Neither Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, and Raphael ever met Muslims directly, travelled to the Islamic world, or interacted with Islamic institutions.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: