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DNS-based blocking? As someone living in a country with ever-increasing internet censorship, that's not blocking, that's a trivially ignorable gentle suggestion to not visit these sites.


For 99.8% of internet users, DNS based blocking is a hard stop (for them).

For the remaining 0.2% who know how things work, they are a brief bump in the road to getting to the site they want to pull up.


Do you have any citation for those numbers?

When dns blocks were in Turkey using non isp servers was common enough for it to be graffitied

https://www.mic.com/articles/85987/turkish-protesters-are-sp...


> Do you have any citation for those numbers?

You need to spend more time with the normies. 99.8% is probably an exaggeration, but if so, not by much. It's easy to forget just how little the average person knows, or wants to know, about how technology works, or their ability to change it to their advantage.

The vast majority of people not only do not understand DNS, they couldn't tell you with any specificity what a domain or IP address even are, and they're afraid of doing anything which might break their computer in a way they don't understand enough to fix.


Doesn't require much understanding to bypass a DNS block or use a VPN.

Easily two thirds of FiFo (Fly In | Fly Out) mine workers in this state, the full on beer swigging head butting rail labourers et al have a rough understanding of the problem and have traded a carton or three with a mate of mate to fix it on their phone | home network so they can get all the p0rn and free movies they can watch on time off.

Real understanding of layered networking protocols from fibre and wire upwards is rare; bypassing DNS blocks is common as muck even sans that fancy CISCO certification.


in fact I would say >90% of -internet users- who are motivated to do so would figure a way to bypass the block. And they don't need to know DNS for that. They find some board that gives them the steps necessary without needing to understand how it all works. Or they know a guy. Why are they motivated? Probably for games, videos, netflix, social media, etc. The walled gardens would motivate them.

Thing is here, only a minority are going to be "into" the pirate site scene, so way less are motivated in the first place. And a lot of them probably have a perfectly fine way to get their stuff from non-blocked pirate sites.

When I look at my grandma use the internet, she knows very little about it, but if she's motivated to do something with tech she always seems to figure out a way.


Blocking content, even or especially not pirate content, is common in Turkey.

It is not in Germany.

Therefore, more people in Turkey would know about measures to circumvent it than in Germany.


It's a hard stop because Germans don't really care so much. They are rich enough that they can just pay for a legal streaming platform or to just buy the movies and games. In actually poor countries where the price is a real stumbling block, people do figure out how to use the required tools. In Eastern Europe, usage of torrent is common knowledge among average people. Everyone has some friend or family member who will explain and install it for them and they are motivated to learn. It's remarkable how much better people become at computer skills once it's about getting access to your favorite TV shows, movies or games.


> In Eastern Europe, usage of torrent is common knowledge among average people. Everyone has some friend or family member who will explain and install it for them and they are motivated to learn

Germans are not using torrent not because they don't have the knowledge but because they will get sued unless they take other anonymization measures that cost money and slow down speed so why not just pay for Netflix. In developing countries enforcement is not so great that's all


I have all the streaming platforms you can think of and still have resort to torrent for any movie older than the 80s it seems...


The solutions are just a Google search away and easy to implement. If that stops anyone even slightly motivated I must wonder what they are generally able to achieve with a computer.


So, 99.8% of people on the internet. I know of maybe four people who could circumvent this DNS block, three of which I work with at the it department.


For your anecdata is somewhat relevant you need to know around 2,000 people well enough to accurately judge whether they're capable of circumventing a DNS block :-)


> wonder what they are generally able to achieve with a computer

Stuff they actually do day to day. Scroll social media, use messaging apps, watch Netflix, Youtube, Twitch etc, in the older generations (millennial and up) also email and MS Office.


The point is:

1. Cynically, for bureaucrats to be able to claim they're doing something about an issue the politicians care about, but which the bureaucrats think is a non-issue. 2. Less cynically, to take away plausible deniability for the torrenter about whether the thing is allowed or not.


germany had really nice internet until a few years ago

but yea, it's very annoying




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