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> The only people who worry about an axis of collaboration between corporations and government to create a surveillance distopia are conspiracy theorists pushing misinformation now.

The president of the United States proudly admitted to alerting Facebook to "problematic" accounts just last week. Maybe that's justified, or isn't in service of a "surveillance dystopia", but the best light is "collaboration" between the largest corporations and the government. It's certainly going on, and that's not a conspiracy theory.

Also, corporations are government - they quite literally are often the same people, having their hands in government agencies and institutions before cashing out in the private sector. Practically everyone at one point or another is thinking about their next job, so it's hard to argue the folks in the highest positions in society aren't.

> Kidding, not kidding. We should really look at what these companies are pushing.

Now you're confusing me a bit - but if this is your actual position, I agree.



> Maybe that's justified, or isn't in service of a "surveillance dystopia"

For crying out loud, I oppose a surveillance dystopia as much as anyone and far more than most. But it's not a surveillance dystopia for the things you publicly say and have your name attached to as you publish it to be brought to the attention of the publisher.

If you wanna talk about censorship, we can talk. But that's a different concept often related.


> have your name attached to as you publish it be brought to the attention of the publisher

Yes but by whom, and are they being held to the same standards of accountability?

If corporations collude in favor of the state against its political opponents in order to secure their place in a new regime's cabinet and no one is around to hear the president order it, is it still fascism?


I didn't say it was good. I said if you want to argue the benefits/costs of censorship that's a different story. But it's not a surveillance dystopia issue.


I like the image of Biden being given a "super downvote" button on reddit, that like...counts as ten normal downvotes.


Instead of giving gold he has a "veto" award that removes all current upvotes and pushes it to the bottom


"Some pigs are more equal than others"




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