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It’s clear at this point that the term programmer was used to refer to two very different types of people.

Don’t you get it? Machine do the tedious work, all we get to do now is the fun part and we can just relax the rest of the day.

I am producing 5x as before, my boss is paying me the same salary just for two hours of actual work per day. I have so much more time to pursue my passions.

Isn’t the future great?


I'm surprised you've had three replies so far that didn't notice your sarcasm.

But we've been automating the tedious work since the 1950s. There were probably devs back then complaining about imminent job loss when the first compilers were invented. Maybe some jobs were lost, temporarily, but ultimately we all got more ambitious about what software we could make. We ended up hiring more programmers and paying them better, because each one provided so much more value.

When the machines are able to do the hard stuff better than humans, that's when we'll really be in trouble.


I do not believe that past performance is a guarantee of future results. The era of well paid programmers in great demand is pretty much over, and it’s not only because of AI. Even if machines are dumb enough they require supervision, the big bosses do not care and will always prefer the dumb machine if it saves them money vs hiring a junior dev. It means the poor sods that supervise these machines will have to work harder to keep up with demand.

Maybe that'll happen one day, but it hasn't so far. As of this month, Glassdoor reports the median total pay for software developers across all industries and experience levels as $149K.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/software-engineer-salary-...


Why do you make such statements with confidence and bluster?

This but unironically. We're at a point where there is still a gap between what managers expect and how fast AI can work. I genuinely do have days where I finish a few tickets and I'm done.

> I am producing 5x as before, my boss is paying me the same salary just for two hours of actual work per day

I don't believe any of this


You forgot the /s at the end.

Can't imagine you really think "the market forces" all point toward a utopia for the workers? We're all just gonna get paid for 2 hours of work a day and post pics from the beach with a special shout-out to Claude?


> I am producing 5x as before, my boss is paying me the same salary just for two hours of actual work per day.

Great. Once your boss notices your actual work has decreased, he'll adjust compensation, increase workload, or both.


Cut to the chase, what are you selling?

I can’t believe it’s not engineering™

I kept thinking “damn, you people work like this?” - is this supposed to be the future of programming everybody is excited about? Fuck this shit, man. It is utter lunacy.

Tangential off topic, but reminds me of seeing so many defenses for Brexit that started with “I voted Remain but…”

Nowadays when I read “I am an AI skeptic but” I already know the comment is coming from someone that has just downed the kool aid.


This is the first time I hear someone equate furries and trans with “results-oriented personalities.” [1] Not saying they necessarily are not, but it’s finding correlation where there absolutely isn’t one just to disagree with actual evidence.

Yeah, I’m gonna go with Occam’s razor on this one.

1: where is the trans furries representation in senior management and other “results-oriented” fields?


> This is the first time I hear someone equate furries and trans with “results-oriented personalities.”

Technically, it's the zeroth time because I never even implied that. I said that the field itself is results-oriented. You usually can't get very far in the career without demonstrating competency at it. Where plenty of other fields had strong unspoken rules of "...as long as you fit in", this one's traditionally been comparatively open to talented people even when they don't look and act like everyone else.


That's... not what was written there. Better read gp again slower.

I like how some in this thread are telling their anecdotes about how shitty the company is from when they were in, or interviewing with, xAI. I mean, thanks for your input guys, but how do you go through life without having a moral backbone?

“Here’s my story from that time I had an interview with IG Farben…”


Most of us got into engineering for the means (programming computers) rather than the ends (automating away jobs).

I guess the people that have been rejoicing from the AI revolution are of the latter type.


Or maybe they find the idea of computers that can think just as exciting as you found programming at the start of your career?

I never found the idea of a thinking computer exciting, just as I don’t find the idea of a thinking screwdriver exciting.

These days I see the ultimate goal to create a super-intelligence to be blasphemous, if not existentially dangerous and I am afraid by how nonchalant everybody is about it.

I quite enjoy a reality where humans and biological life are in control of their destiny, but it’s apparently become a taboo opinion around these parts.


Good for you. But other people are allowed to find things exciting that you don't.

Personally I'd find the idea of thinking screwdriver... Well, weird. But definitely amazing and exciting.


I find the idea of a thinking screwdriver annoying. Thinking things are difficult to reason about, and tools that are difficult to reason about are frustrating to use.

A thinking screwdriver:

"You know what ... screw this."


I think a lot of engineers ignore the ends because they enjoy the means. The ethical impact of their work doesn't matter because they get to work on cool technology.

> I was disappointed that the Snapdragon chips don't actually support the new Android Terminal feature

I’m out of the loop, why couldn’t a particular mobile CPU run a terminal?


The Linux Terminal feature on Android is a VM, and it requires the ability to run "non protected VMs" which it doesn't have: https://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-chips-android-li...

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