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I’ll be honest this seems low for what he’s been through.

I would voluntarily go to jail for 37 days for that amount.

I think it's a shame this doesn't come with criminal charges, though. False imprisonment? Kidnapping?


He wasn’t jailed for 37 days. He was jailed indefinitely. Every day he didn’t know if things would get worse. He didn’t know how long he was staying. He was already in the absurd scenario for being jailed for a meme so anything was possible at that point. He happened to get out after 37 days.

Would you do that if you were an ex-law enforcement officer who's racial profile puts you under the protection of criminals on the yard that largely support the person you heckled while not knowing that it was only going to be 37 days?

Would you live through the stress of a legal case with unknown legal costs and unknown incarceration time for that amount of money?

No. I'm just saying said amount seems fair from the monetary side of this case's specifics.

(And let's face it, the outcome here was guaranteed, and the inevitable settlement was always gonna include attorney fees or be done pro-bono.)


The outcome wasn't guaranteed; that's the scary part. If Trump had decided to take a hand then it could have been drawn out for months at a minimum.

At some point, barring him getting beaten to death in jail, this was always going to get in front of a judge who'd go "uh what the fuck?!" It's about as slam-dunk of a situation as you could come up with.

I could say that about a litany of court cases in the previous decade, yet here we are, our president winning immunity for all tax evasion, in the past and future, for his whole family, and getting seditious white supremacists paid while doing it.

It is my fervent hope that said fund will, when it encounters a judge, collapse for similar reasons.

I wouldn't, but that does really put some perspective on it.

His trouble isn't just from the time in jail, though. It's from all the Trump supporters who harass him as well. Previously, and in the future.


And in cases like this, the actual perpetrators typically don't pay a cent out of their own pockets. Instead, the city or county indemnifies the defendant, either directly or through insurance. Which means that taxpayers (possibly including the injured party) are the ones who pay.

Indeed. Qualified immunity is a stain on American jurisprudence.

You can almost never hold anyone in government accountable. You are forced to sue your own community to get some shred of justice while the actual people who violated your rights face zero accountability.

Tell lawmakers who want your vote this November that you want an end to qualified immunity. Agents of the state should not be less accountable to the laws of the land than regular individuals.


IMO this case is a good example of one that ought to void qualified immunity as it currently stands, though I know in practice it's more difficult. I think it's plain that a "clearly established" constitutional right was knowingly violated here.

I would say it seems unbelievably high! I've known people t-boned by Semi Trucks that ran a red light and they couldn't get 1/10th of that because you can only prove so many actual damages. A single month in the slammer caused this guy $835k in proven damages? You'd probably lose your job, go into arrears on rent/car/mortgage, but it's hard to believe that every day in prison was costing this guy $22k

This was settled out of court. Nothing was proven. For the county to settle for this much, there must be some things going on behind closed doors that the people involved do not want to be made public.

Not an expert here, but after his lawyer's cut and taxes, my guess is he'll take home around $250K ???

It’s about what your average senior engineer makes here at hackernews per month

I'll never understand how these cognitive elites live. They're just a completely different kind of human than the rest of us.


What do you mean by “cognitive elites?”

I’ve met some exceptional people: top researchers from top universities from several fields, super well paid engineers working on products you probably use, some of the best hackers an advanced persistent threat actor could ask for; they’re just people.

I think if you get a collection of competent, thoughtful people together they would come up with similar solutions to the problems discussed in this talk.


I am sure they are, my fascination is how they manage to get so much more out of the same 24 hours than me. Sometimes I would just like to know how others manage all the worldly churn that seems to suck my time. starting from cleaning the kitchen, toilets and the home, food prep and washing up, being active, moving the lawn, reading a good book, doing taxes, bringing the vehicle to service, fix that phone for grandma etc. so how do they do it? Is it character, personality, upbringing... What helped put them on this trajectory. So in short I'm curious about their story.


I assume that Jane Street employees likely use house cleaners, food delivery, laundry services, etc. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if part of the employee onboarding includes a list of common convenience services like these. Some employers pay for or subsidize such services; I don't know if Jane Street does.

Personal sacrifice is often expected. Fixing the phone for grandma would simply be neglected for many employees in these positions.


> so much more out of the same 24 hours

Do they? Are they doing more work, or is the set of things they've chosen to be good at more stereotypically impressive than the set of things you've chosen to be good at?

> all the worldly churn

Surely all of that adds up to <1hr/day (assuming exercise does double-duty with other intellectual activities and general unwinding)? You could work a pretty intense schedule and still have plenty of time for personal development with that level of overhead, so long as you actually stuck with it and got everything done.

> food prep and washing

I'd be curious to hear more about what this looks like for you. I might have ideas.


Get a dishwasher. Don’t rely on a car. There are plenty of life changing effeciency hacks that can free up hours of time a day.


Cognitive elites are the MIT and Ivy+ grads that make up Jane Street like the speaker.

People like me aren’t getting $5m+ bonuses for being an SRE (I don’t have the pedigree to work at Anthropic either)


I think you put way too much stock into pedigree and what university people went to for undergrad.


There's not going to be many non-Ivy+ graduates at these companies. I make Jane Street/HRT/etc new grad pay 8 years into my career


Nope. Jane Street engineers just love what they do; and do it for fun in their own time and professionally and they love solving puzzles.

They just think for themselves to make money and not what their manager tells them to do unless either the manager or trader believes they will lose money and the game.

The only relevant difference to you is that you must have zero morals or ethics in this game and it is actually a high stress environment behind the videos and engineering propaganda which is the slender difference between beating or losing to other competitors for their clients.

So really stop worshipping them and fuelling their egos as that is what they (Jane Street) want you to do.


Can we squint and say the gut microbiome is kind of like this?


Humans are the exoskeleton for gut bacteria.


I’ll be honest, I had a hard time getting through the LLM writing


Correct, as he should have


As someone that thinks of myself as a low-caste, middle class American it's interesting seeing all of these people listed in the article making less than me


A lot of people consider themselves middle class and are wrong in that self assessment. It goes both ways, you have people making a half a million a year and people making twenty thousand who both consider themselves middle class.


I went to a state school, worked at Amazon and didn’t get a 2300 on my SAT - I definitively am lower caste but the caste/class divergence isn’t well understood in culture I think.


You're the one bringing up caste. Middle class is determined by income and it's not subjective.


I genuinely think this is because the elites like the MIT dropouts that started this company think the rest of us observers are stupid.

They have a billboard with the copy "Compliance before you tell your parents you dropped out of MIT"


Yeah that's a wild billboard lmao. btw 99% of MIT people are no different then the rest they just worked hard or paid hefty amounts, I have lots of friends that went there. Nonetheless the 1% are geniuses. Also saying MIT dropouts instantly makes your story credible, it's a funny concept. I'm starting to feel like an MIT dropout these days.


>btw 99% of MIT people are no different then the rest they just worked hard or paid hefty amounts

I don't think that's true. I didn't get into any elite schools unlike almost all of them.


The problem may not be "intellectually interesting" to them at all, but building B2B SaaS does appeal to them from a lifestyle/prestige/pedigree perspective and will probably get them an exit to become a Venture investor even if they fail.


Major red flag with this should have been that their expensive marketing predicated heavily on them being MIT dropouts instead of any expertise in the space


As someone trying to monitor the situation using Twitter the last few weeks it’s awful and it used to not be!


It’s flawed, but still the obvious place to monitor a situation.


It's long been taken over by Telegram, which among its other advantages (more like a message board than 'town square'), doesn't have hordes of people commenting "@grok explain this to me" under every post.


I've never even heard of telegram competing with X for live world events updates. But maybe I'm just missing out.


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