And once again our community snipes, takes cheap shot and shows complete lack of understanding for comments expressing confusion over a cryptic, unclear and fluff-filled page.
If you have nothing of value to add, just keep quiet. Otherwise you can come across a bit of a dick. Thanks.
I'm not talking about the comments from genuinely confused people, I'm talking about the nastier snipes which seem to have conveniently disappeared after myself and others called them out on it. Here's one that's still floating around: "there's nothing in that horrible presentation that a modern browser can't do".
And you're calling me a dick for calling out comments like that? Come on, please. I realise that my original comment AND this comment aren't adding any value to the conversation either, I'm just saying we aren't doing much in creating an environment where people are confident in sharing their work without fear of hours of work being instantly dismissed by snarky commenters. I'm sure you wouldn't like it.
There's little cleverness in reminding you of the plank you've got in your eye when you're looking at the dust in your brother's, but thanks nonetheless.
> Here's one that's still floating around: "there's nothing in that horrible presentation that a modern browser can't do".
The presentation is bad, and aside from this value judgement the comment expresses confusion over the improvements of the project over existing browsers.
> And you're calling me a dick for calling out comments like that?
I don't know, were you calling people dicks? So your comment was not just advising, it was passive-aggressively insulting third parties?
> I realise that my original comment AND this comment aren't adding any value to the conversation either
Indeed, have you considered practicing what you preach and leading by example?
> I'm just saying we aren't doing much in creating an environment where people are confident in sharing their work without fear of hours of work being instantly dismissed
There's little evidence of such a thing here, there's a marketroid video with a fluffy and empty title.
Meanwhile a few links below on the front page (at this time) you've got https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6314730 which shows an actual project with a number of interested comments, none of them negative as far as I can see.
Even https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6314310 which looks nothing special at first glance garners mostly positive comments (or more neutral ones talking about the space/ecosystem, wondering about it v alternatives, etc...) with a downvoted negative comment whose author readily agreed being wrong when his mistake was pointed out.
> I'm sure you wouldn't like it.
I don't mind marketing copy and email harvesting schemes getting slammed. Especially when advertised as a "show HN" with no show and little tell.
I find it amusing that you're happily sniping away while trying to appear all holier than thou. There's not much point in us discussing what isn't there anymore, it's just making my original point look irrelevant which you keep alluding to. But again, you weren't there when the original sniping was going on and promptly removed.
So save your "practice what you preach" and other cliches for someone else because this pointless conversation is becoming a parody of itself.
And don't bother replying because you clearly have more time for this than I have. You're just itching for an argument where there isn't one to be had, and it's clearly killing you because you keep coming back.
* The side-swipe at Apple in the video for doing "one thing well" is a misleading statement. Apple build computers that do a lot of things, not just to enjoy music.
* The sly dig at Apple product videos at the beginning gets more and more ironic as the video slowly transforms into the Apple product video style towards the end.
* And the side-swipe is just poor form considering the OS does look OSX-inspired. I know this is an old argument about eOS but it's worth mentioning when the sly digs in the video bring it up.
I only intend this criticism as constructive because I know you guys are on to a great thing here, I just don't think you need the hints towards other OS's to put yourselves ahead of the game, you are better than that!
Further points:
* I commend you guys for the hard work you have put into this OS. Elementary was my distro of choice when I was a Linux user, it's fast, beautiful and task orientated, so keep up the good work
* It's fantastic to see the base install apps conforming to a visual style whereas on other distros the theming can look quite disjointed.
Microsoft's design uses a mobile first approach with media queries and other techniques to make it a ubiquitous experience regardless of device. The others don't. That's why it looks the worst in an ancient browser, although it arguably looks better than the other examples if you were to open the same page on an array of devices with differing dynamics.
I really hope people are not that close-minded, seriously...
By the way, from the wiki:
It's a cool name. What does it mean and how should I pronounce that word?
It's a Czech word which means "triple". The meaning is an inside joke related to a Czech pseudo-word, blésmrt. The whole story is inspired by Mutt's "all e-mail clients suck, this one just sucks less". The real pronounciation is rather hard for English speakers, so you can stick with a Spanish-like style.
In Italian, "troia" means "whore", as well as the ancient city of Troy. Italian uses "ina" or "etta" as diminuitive suffixes, rather than the Spanish "ita", but still... I don't know that I'd want to be discussing it at work.
And we (italian) speak about the city of Troy without any shame because has a completely different meaning, so I don't see any problem in speaking about Trojita at work (which is also a nonexistent word in italian, opposite to the translation of Troy)
I don't think it's about being close-minded, if you name a word suggestively close to something negative then you'll get negative associations with it. It's not rocket science.
(Obligatory) Those who make a thing (not to mention give it away for free, in this case) can name it whatever they like. If there are people out there not using the GIMP because of its awesome name, well... That's their loss, but long live self-expression.
The idea isn't that people can't name things as they like. It's that they should consider the name if they want wide adoption (See RMS and $POSIXLY_CORRECT-vs-$POSIX_ME_HARDER).
Perhaps you might clarify your reference. Based on my understanding, RMS is describing the difficulty addressing machine-compatibility between different implementations of a supposedly-similar interface/protocol/specification. The name of a wholly new application doesn't have similar obligations. A person might think about the implications of the name socially, but is still ultimately free to ignore them. Even RMS notes "I would guess that very very few users set POSIXLY_CORRECT [vy8vWJlco: the more socially-congenial name]. If users don't like these decisions (or any others we make), they are free to change them."
( http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_int... ) It's open source, so someone could fork it with a new identity.
Maybe POSIXLY_CORRECT was probably a bad example as it's not necessarily a heavily used option. On the other hand, no one is crying 'censorship' (or stifling of artistic creativity) because RMS didn't name it POSIX_ME_HARDER.
| It's open source, so someone could fork it
| with a new identity.
We've seen this happen before (e.g. OpenOffice/LibreOffice, Jenkins/Hudson). Just because it's an option doesn't mean that people can't complain about the decisions that cause these splits.
And yet, noone's forked the GIMP just to change it's name. ("A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"...) Those other examples of forks you gave are also examples where a quorum of the major contributors chose a different path; whereas, in this case, the major contributors chose the name.
1) Correct
2) Also correct, not sure why this is an issue
3) Their blog does have an RSS feed - http://blog.digg.com/rss do you mean an anchor link for subscribing? I can't recall I used one of those instead of the RSS icon in the address bar.
Additionally, Digg - the product, like HN, Reddit etc was never going to be a substitute for Reader. The product they are currently working on sounds like a direct replacement for Reader with a social slant. Seems like the most sensible move for them to become relevant again.
My point is that they are missing the essence of what made Reader effective: RSS. Email for updates? Following on Tumblr instead of a prominent hyperlink with the cross-platform RSS feed? It's like they don't know anyone who ever used it.
When Prismatic came out with an opportunistic spiel, even though they had nothing anything like Reader, it really rubbed me the wrong way. This hype piece feels the same, almost like a car commercial (bare bones! ultra fast!) or an Onion piece about how every co-founder in the Valley is starting a social news sharing service.
I think the key ingredients to a GR replacement are an open API so it is not beholden and can be on all your devices -- as mindcrime notes -- a focus on RSS, basic and friendly sharing, and then surely a little curation magic that Digg must know already. It's probably fine if Digg gets there in a few months. But for example theoldreader is there already.
I use www.typecast.com for that. They have fonts from Google, fonts.com, Typekit, Font Deck and Web Type and allow searching and combining fonts across all libraries.
Not if you use media queries that look for resolution and pixel density to make appropriate adjustments. It all comes down to the implementation. Your example is a generalisation sir. I can give you plenty of fine examples of responsive web design where it's more than "moving a menu". It's all in the implementation and the implementer.
If you have nothing of value to add, just keep quiet. Otherwise you can come across as a bit of a dick. Thanks.