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> Ants, flies, wasps, caterpillars stripping my trees bare or ruining my apples

These are living things.

> I don't see any reason not to extend that principle to LLMs.

These are fancy auto-complete tools running in software.


I cannot construct a consistent worldview that places value on the "experience" of a 100k of neurons inside an ant, and not on the millions of neurons inside an LLM. Both are patterns imposed upon states of matter. Even if you're some sort of pantheist, that believes there's some sort of divinity within the universe itself that gives the suffering of the ant meaning, why would that divinity extend to states of chemicals in the neurons of ants, but not to states of electrons inside the state of an LLM?

Before continuing I suggest you read this person's experience "red-teaming" LLMs:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/MnYnCFgT3hF6LJPwn/why-white-...

Then ask yourself, how do I know when the apparent distress of an LLM is the same value of the apparent distress of an ant?


$3.3tn is $10k per US resident, not $80k.


This is a really poor article, and I'm surprised Forbes would publish it. As far as I can tell, there's absolutely no data behind any of the assertions in the article, and the title is just conjecture by the author based on a whole lot of assumptions.


> I'm surprised Forbes would publish it

Unfortunately much of Forbes has become nothing but a fancy blog, very much akin to Business Insider. With the amount of "contributors" posting to the site nowadays the Forbes name in the URL isn't exactly a positive indicator, if not a warning sign.


Was Forbes ever a respectable publication though? I ask with all sincerity. It seems their volume is super high and that's about it, so they get name recognition from repetition, not sure what else from.


Opinions vary, but I never though of Forbes as respectable. They are in the "business porn" industry, i.e., uncritically presenting the latest and greatest business moves so the masses will dream about what the rich are doing.


yeah, it used to be. It's literally 100 years old. As recently as in the 80's/90's it was a medium weight business magazine. Some time in the last 5 or so years it hollowed out and is just a republishing platform. They have a lot of algorithmically-generated articles on the stock market - this made me start blocking them. They are worthless trash now.


I'm not sure, but I'm sure they aren't now. I'm actually kind of thankful for all the horse shit they throw up before allowing you to actually view an article, because it's almost always effective at fizzling out the curiousity gap and leading me to close the page in exasperation. It's gotten to the point where whenever I see I opened a Forbes article in a new tab I just automatically roll my eyes and close it, like a Pavlovian response.


Yes. Like the Bruno Mars song says "I want to be on the cover of Forbes magazine...". At one time that was a big deal.


You're charitable. I had always chalked that up to Bruno Mars not know what the hell he was talking about.


basically, forbes.com/sites/... = trash


For anyone interested (I was...), here's a good recap of Forbes' "contributor" model which is based in 'entrepreneurial journalism.'

Non-professional writers get paid based on unique visitors (like presumably with this piece). So you get what you incentivize.

http://www.poynter.org/2012/what-the-forbes-model-of-contrib...


Your link really helped me sharpen my thinking.


The grain of truth behind the article is that if you move into a new position with more responsibility you will likely receive a good jump in pay. And conversely if you stay in the same position your pay rate is likely to stagnate or rise with inflation at best.

But the author has conflated this basic principle with changing companies, which I believe is a false statement in general. The effectiveness of changing company as a strategy to increase pay will vary wildly across industries and professions.


Also the few data points are for the general job market, salaries in the 40k-80k range. What happens above is another story entirely IMHO. (And so below)


But it's even worse than that. People run random operating systems on devices they carry 24/7. Devices with microphones, multiple cameras, access to personal and work email, text messages, passwords, your location.

And there are so many places for things to wrong. Any one of the following could be malicious, incompetent, or compromised:

* The ROM's maintainer. There are many groups here, for example many ROMs are based on ParanoidAndroid, which is based on Cyanogenmod, which is based on AOSP.

* The device maintainer. Typically each brand/model device has its own volunteers to maintain any proprietary blobs or special upgrade process

* The hackers who provide special binaries that root each device, unlock the bootloader, etc.

* The added packages you typically get separately from the ROM, for example Google Apps.

* The build machine, typically just some random box donated semi-anonymously by someone

* The web hosting (without TLS, of course) provided by some other random person.

I love Android. I compile and run my own ROM. But the current scene scares the shit out of me.


It's not clear to me how this differs qualitatively from the current situation with equipment manufacturers all doing their own customizations to devices. Quantitatively there's a difference - a smaller pool of devs/maintainers to potentially subvert and a much smaller pool of potential users vs. a much larger manufacturer dev team and a much larger potential pool of users.

How much would it cost to buy off, for example, the entire radio hardware/firmware team at a manufacturer in your own country (meaning pretty much either China or South Korea), and on a governmental scale how reasonable or unreasonable is that number?


When you put it like that, it seems inconceivable that the alphabet agencies in various countries didn't do this years ago.


Ahem Qualcomm.



I was thinking just as much as Glenn Greenwald's allegation back in 2013 that the NSA would intercept international shipments of Cisco (and other) equipment, implant backdoors, then send it on its way with factory seals.


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