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Greenland already has a wealthy benefactor, I'd be surprised if poor countries wouldn't be interested

The 2006 book 'Daemon' is a fascinating/terrifying look at this type of malicious AI. Basically, a rogue AI starts taking over humanity not through any real genius (in fact, the book's AI is significantly weaker than frontier LLMs), but rather leveraging a huge amount of $$$ as bootstrapping capital and then carrot-and-sticking humanity into submission.

A pretty simple inner loop of flywheeling the leverage of blackmail, money, and violence is all it will take. This is essentially what organized crime already does already in failed states, but with AI there's no real retaliation that society at large can take once things go sufficiently wrong.


I love Daemon/FreedomTM.[0] Gotta clarify a bit, even though it's just fiction. It wasn't a rogue AI; it was specifically designed by a famous video game developer to implement his general vision of how the world should operate, activated upon news of his death (a cron job was monitoring news websites for keywords).

The book called it a "narrow AI"; it was based on AI(s) from his games, just treating Earth as the game world, and recruiting humans for physical and mental work, with loyalty and honesty enforced by fMRI scans.

For another great fictional portrayal of AI, see Person of Interest[1]; it starts as a crime procedural with an AI-flavored twist, and ended up being considered by many critics the best sci-fi show on broadcast TV.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(novel)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)


It was a benevolent AI takeover. It just required some robo-motorcycles with scythe blades to deal with obstacles.

Like the AI in "Friendship is Optimal", which aims to (and this was very carefully considered) 'Satisfy humanity's values through friendship and ponies in a consensual manner.'


And it required a Loki.

I liked Daemon and completely missed Freedom. Thanks for the pointer.

Oh, wow, enjoy!

Makes on wonder whether it will be Google, OpenAi, or Anthropic to build the first Samaritan (though I’m betting on Palantir)

Martine: "Artificial Intelligence? That's a real thing?"

Jorunalist: "Oh, it's here. I think an A.I slipped into the world unannounced, then set out to strangle it's rivals in the crib. And I know I'm onto something, because me sources keep disappearing. My editor got resigned. And now my job's gone. More and more, it just feels like I was the only one investigating the story. I'm sorry. I'm sure I sound like a real conspiracy nut."

Martine: "No, I understand. You're saying an Artificial Intelligence bought your paper so you'd lose your job and your flight would be cancelled. And you'd end up back at this bar, where the only security camera would go out. And the bartender would have to leave suddenly after getting an emergency text. The world has changed. You should know you're not the only one who figured it out. You're one of three. The other two will die in a traffic accident in Seattle in 14 minutes."

— Person of Interest S04E01


> A pretty simple inner loop of flywheeling the leverage of blackmail, money, and violence is all it will take. This is essentially what organized crime already does already in failed states

[Western states giving each other sidelong glances...]


PR firms are going to need to have a playbook when an AI decides to start blogging or making virtual content about a company. And what if other AIs latched on to that and started collaborating to neg on a company?

Could you imagine 'negative AI sentiment' and those same AI assistants that manage sales of stock (cause OpenClaw is connected to everything) starts selling a companies stock.


I really enjoyed that book. I didn't think we'd get there so quickly, but I guess we'll find out soon enough...

Is this not what has already happened over the past 10-15 years?

I've gotta come to OPs defense here. In the age of Suno indistinguishable-from-human-quality hits, this whole endeavor was an art piece and more interesting than most human OR AI music I've heard in the past year.

The medium was using the "wrong" tool for the job, which creative musicians do on a regular basis. And the output was so cool, it really felt like a relic from a different era even though it's hyper-modern.


I'm going to blow your mind: people are different! I have lived in several cities in the PNW and New England and now live in Houston metro by choice. It is far easier, more efficient, and more economical for my family which are our priorities. (Also infinitely more diverse, which is a big plus, but doesn't really have anything to do with urban planning). We like it a lot here.


Houston can be very cheap, but it comes with the steep cost of having to live in Houston.

I'm being harsh, Houston isn't completely terrible. There is a lot of culture and diversity. But you can't really get to it because everything is too far, and you're already tired from commuting 10 hours that week.


IMO that is different than rank-and-file. My theory is that once you make a certain amount of money you run a high risk of becoming divorced from reality.


> Yes, a tired doctor sucks. But a tired doctor who already has the patient's state loaded into their head may still be better than doctor who is completely fresh in both senses.

AI fixes this. Imagine the boot time of loading a patient's state from dozens of labs and files vs. a summary that gets you to exactly what they're going to end up remembering anyways. And if a doctor finds something interesting that the AI doesn't flag, they should be flagging it in the chart for the next doctor anyways.


Jesus Christ you have to be fucking kidding me.

Your solution to information loss during doctor handover is to insert a brainless hallucinating program with zero responsibility into the middle?


In my experience, AI summarization is a pretty lame application. I don’t really need a block of potentially wrong, rephrased text. I’ve got a feeling that the same applies to healthcare.


If charting was sufficient, doctor (and nurse!) handover wouldn't be a problem.


How does this compare to moon?

https://github.com/moonrepo/moon


I’m not super familiar with moon, but I think it’d be fair to say mise started out solving the tool problem where moon solved the build problem first. I’d expect both to be more fleshed out than the other in both departments.

You could probably use mise tools for moon builds, or proto with mise tasks too if you wanted to.


What does it mean about me if I looked at the image and the article headline and thought "scientific replication crisis"?

I'd honestly be shocked if this was repeatable. A brief search didn't turn up any attempts.


We probably are the study..."we presented the Michigan Fish Study to online communities to see which part of the click bait they fixated on the most..."


Not just the scientific replication crisis, but also the scientific media replication crisis.

For all of the p-hacking and file drawer effects that modern research (noting this is an older piece) tries to avoid, the incentives for popular scientific media including blog posts all run in the other direction. Even if limited to just good, replicable studies in journals, anything we hear about via popularization is likely to be attached to a stronger-than-real effect size.


Im pleasantly surprised hackernews largely seems in agreement this is speculative bullshit.


Me too -- I reacted this way when I read it, and posted it here to see if others would agree or if there was some nuance I was missing. In particular I bristle at this frequent juxtaposition of the US and Japan (or "East" vs "West" more broadly) in terms of individualism and collectivism -- those terms aren't well defined enough to not be misleading, and might convey truth in some cases but better specificity would help us avoid wrongheaded generalizations based on old tropes and stereotypes

It makes sense to me that there would be differences in how people with various cultural backgrounds interpret art, since we largely know that the way people experience and think about color is different, though


It's also funny to see US vs Japan as a stand-in for East vs West, because eg Japan and China have very different cultures; and eg Germany and the US also have their differences. (Or Chile and the US, if you want to stay far in the West.)


I've got concepts of an idea


"Pre-idea stage" support is wild to me


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err, "invest".


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