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>key leaders of the AI labs struggle openly with the morality of what they are building

they definitely are not.


They do.

I suspect that you are not only ignoring the existing safeguards that have already come of those discussions, but I suspect you’re also ignoring or pretending like those public discussions never happened in the first place.

Furthermore, I suspect you’re also trivializing what is and is not in contention with moral issues as these companies are trying to compete against each other.

I also think you’re probably assuming the slower options are the safer options because you haven’t really considered the risks of ceding power/investment to a less scrupulous competitor.

I’m not claiming any of these men are moral upstanding people or that they’ve done enough.

I think people should be very critical, but they should at least make the effort to ENGAGE in the moral issues and consequences.

Your cheap four word response only adds cheap rhetoric to the conversation.

If you really care about the moral issues, start typing.


Flock would not exist if they held ethics as a priority. It's The Panopticon from the well known book The Panopticon is Unethical

what class are you in that "producing output at a [rapid] pace" is relevant to the grade?

pick any cs class

I have a minor in CS and no -producing the assignment by the deadline is important- grades are not based on quantity of code vs classmates.

I mean, maybe things have changed (I finished college about 20 years ago), but I don't remember producing large volumes of stuff as being a particularly important part of a CS degree.

Between a challenging job market, increasing new frontiers of learning (AI, MLops, parallel hardware) and an average mind like mine, a tool that increases throughput is likely to be adopted by masses, whether you like it or not and quality is not a concern for most, passing and getting an A is (most of my professors actively encourage to use LLMs for reports/code generation/presentations)

It will be a very interesting experiment when your generation of computer science graduates enters the job market, to put it mildly.

Individuals believe they act freely, but they are constrained and directed by historical forces beyond their awareness - Leo Tolstoy

Historical forces beyond your awareness cannot force you to submit mountains of slop.

slop is not a thing anymore, stop living in a fantasy world

Remember, you chose this. You chose not to learn, to offload your thinking in the name of competition.

What are you talking about? Slop existed long before AI and it will exist long after.

The last one already killed unique web designs, killed flash, gave us us soulless flat design and electron bloat.

They'll have to work pretty hard to outdo that!


That was never a worry in any of my CS classes.

I continue to pronounce it S-Q-L... and G-U-I; generally I pronounce most things as initialism and I'm right to do so.

Yeah but it's february.

"higher speed" isn't an advantage for an encyclopedia.

The fact that Musk's derangement is clear from reading grokipedia articles shows that LLMs are less impervious to ego. Combine easily ego driven writing with "higher speed" and all you get is even worse debates.


It's not an advantage for an encyclopedia that cares foremost about truth. Missing pages is a disadvantage though.

It will not be interesting because she has never been an advocate of free speech.

Either the OP was being sarcastic or they’re unaware of the difference between free speech and Free Speech™

what i meant is this may be a good real world litmus test. i dont claim to know if there are differences or not between her word and actions - i have not followed her closely. but i always like 'tests' like this for heads of media orgs as free speech (Free Speech) imo needs to be the backbone of those orgs

She has always and consistently advocated for free speech when it was beneficial to her or her allies/benefactors

She has defended free speech disliked by both the left and the right on occasions.

She famously left the NY Times after defending the publication of a contrarian op-ed by (Republican) Sen. Tom Cotton.

https://www.npr.org/2025/10/06/nx-s1-5563786/bari-weiss-cbs-...

Although apparently not a fan of Jimmy Kimmel as a comedian, her Free Press objected to his suspension. "... the FCC’s coercion undermines our most fundamental values"

https://www.thefp.com/p/jawboning-and-jimmy-kimmel-free-spee...

And on the same topic, the FP editors wrote: "At last, something we can all agree on: Pam Bondi has no idea what she's talking about."

https://www.thefp.com/p/pam-bondi-vs-the-first-amendment-fre...

For president, she has voted for Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden.

It's fair to call her a centrist.


"Centrist" is an utterly meaningless term, as the only thing it implies is not one of the two major-partisan extremists. You can call me a centrist, with my views being anchored in a libertarian perspective. Back a few decades ago when the major parties' Venn diagrams overlapped a bit more, you could call people at the intersection of the parties' authoritarian policies centrists. And as for Bari Weiss, you can can call her centrist because she will do the bidding of her employer regardless of which Party's administration they are currently bribing.

> she will do the bidding of her employer regardless of which Party's administration they are currently bribing

That's not fair. She left the Wall Street Journal because they didn't want her to write anti-Trump op-eds.

https://reason.com/2018/01/28/bari-weiss-it-was-heartbreakin...


"Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower" includes not anthropomorphizing its individual parts, like the blades. Even when those blades are swapped out for new ones, re-sharpened, and put onto a different lawnmower.

Trump, while an objectively horrible person who belongs in prison for many distinct types of crime, is primarily a minstrel for people to hate on. While he is (unfortunately) a good first-pass litmus test for an individual's politics/intelligence, criticizing him is not really the same as critiquing all of the entrenched interests that installed and continue to enable him.


Lisp is written top to bottom left to right but because it's (almost) fully nested it's executed right to left bottom to top.

Haskell and OCaml are, by comparison, not very nested.


This is not true.

    (defun f (x)
      (let ((y x))
        (setf y (* y x))
        (block foo
          (if (minusp y)
              (return-from foo y))
          (loop :for i :from 1 :to 10 :do
            ...
This is absolutely typical bog-standard left-to-right top-to-bottom structured programming type code. It also must be executed like so:

  - Define the function 
  - Bind the variable 
  - Mutate the variable
  - Set up a named block
  - Do a conditional return
  - Run a loop
  - ...
The order of execution literally matches the order it's written. But not unlike almost all other languages on the planet, expressions are evaluated inside-out.

Haskell's whole raison d'etre is to allow arbitrary nesting and substitution of terms, and all or none of these terms may or may not be evaluated depending on need. De-nesting happens with a copious number of syntax to bind names to values, sometimes before the expression (via let), sometimes after the expression (via where), and sometimes in the middle of an expression (via do).


When you say multiplier, what kind of number are you talking about. Like what multiple of features shipped that don't require immediate fixes have you experienced.


It's coding at 10-20x speed, but tangibly this is at 1.5-2x the overall productivity. The coding speed up doesn't translate completely to overall velocity yet.

I am beginning to build a high degree of trust in the code Claude emits. I'm having to step in with corrections less and less, and it's single shotting entire modules 500-1k LOC, multiple files touched, without any trouble.

It can understand how frontend API translates to middleware, internal API service calls, and database queries (with a high degree of schema understanding, including joins).

(This is in a Rust/Actix/Sqlx/Typescript/nx monorepo, fwiw.)


Okay but again what multiplier of features have you actually shipped.


People hate it when copyright law is used by corporations to crush people.

People hate it when copyright law is ignored by corporations to crush people.

This isn't particularly hard to grasp.


Class consciousness isn't real and won't hurt you


Yes, I too hate copyright law


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